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Yes sir, how would I go about reporting a UFO incident?

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Oh, okay, I hear it, but...

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Okay, this... my husband saw it, he's at work right now, but he asked me to find out how he would go about reporting it.

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I'll tell you what he told me.

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Okay, this happened on the 18th of November, outside of White Mountain, outside of Cicampera, New Mexico.

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He was lost in deer hunting in that area, he got lost, he was several miles from camp,

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he got dark on his fourth year in Mexico.

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He saw him come here, there was eight of them on the ground.

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I'm sorry, my voice gets shaking, I get shaking every time I talk to them.

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It's okay.

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One guy, he said they were about two stories high, he said they were false or straight,

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they had a top and a bottom, a ridge slide, like he told me, like the edge of a paper slide, not ridge.

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Okay.

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He said they were on the top and on the bottom, in the middle there was a band of lights,

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there was white, but they had the red lights that were in the shape of ends, on the sides.

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Okay, they had a, and he had served these for seven to eight hours, and they had served him.

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They had an antenna that could be over here, one of them.

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That's, okay, he was 200 yards from the one ship that he could see.

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Yes.

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There, but there was one ship that was closer to him, he knew that they had, the ones that had the antenna were his head.

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Okay, they had a square light on the top ship, that produced kind of like a spotlight, but it was very bright and it was foggy looking.

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To a detail light, they had a revolving light that went 183, and it's black, red, green, and blue.

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Uh-huh.

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And the spotlight, as it went around, he would, my husband would, that time, he, uh, he was a lot, he didn't know what that thing was doing.

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But he, at the time of the Passover, he would get down.

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And he said, as it passed, he said, as he hit the bush in the grass, he said, it sounded like wind blowing, but he said the grass did not lay down, like it was being blown.

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He said, all it did was shimmer.

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And, and, uh, it had, okay, the space he said, landing lights on the bottom, he did not see any landing gear, so it came down, but he did not see any landing gear.

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He says, there was eight of them on the ground, they were all about, I think he said, half a mile apart, I'm not sure of this, yes.

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I forget, he can tell you exactly, he can subscribe real well.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And we saw each one of them have a minimum of four antennas.

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And he was watching these two scopes on his gun.

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He said, when it first came in, he was just scared and scared.

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You know, he was both frightened and didn't even want to do it.

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He didn't have any ammunition in his gun because he had, uh, shot some wolves earlier that was tracking him.

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And he also said there was coyotes in the area.

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And finally, as he got over the initial shot, the thing, the thing to come in, he lit a fire.

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He said, we're also not going to bother me after this time, you know.

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Uh-huh.

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He just went lit a fire, he said coyotes also.

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And, uh, he said the antennas in this one ship, it's almost, oh, it had a fifty-facet,

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and he was watching for a while and then disappeared.

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Two minutes later, he's come back again.

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He figures in they weren't going to bother him.

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But, uh, he said the antennas were a rectangle.

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He said they did not have a boundary, though.

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He could see, and he didn't see anything attaching them to the ship.

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He said they looked like little, uh, twinkly lights.

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He said they were red and they looked like little, green.

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And he said all they did was flash a twinkly.

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He said it looked like a neon light, red to the round.

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Uh-huh.

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And he said, and he looked at these antennas, or whatever they were, two weeks ago.

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He said he didn't see the twinkly lights.

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He said he saw a thing that looked like a car flare in the shape of a beam on its side.

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And, uh, he said there was one in the sky.

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And he said they would flash a lightning up to the one in the sky,

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and then there was one in the sky, and that was one down to the one on the ground that he was watching.

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And he said also, when they came in, they did not make any noise.

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And he said they would, uh, he said he thought they were communicating from ship to ship,

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because they did make a noise from, there's a real sharp, high, flip noise back and forth to the other ship.

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A beeping sound?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And, uh, okay, he said also occasionally during the night, they would flash an image in the sky.

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And he said the white lights, he said the image was like a triangle upside down,

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and he had two slants, like for an eye, eyes would be, and a long slant where a nose would be.

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And it's the only way I'd study, I don't know if it's a face or not, but that's just where the, you know, where the lights were.

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It is.

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And, and they would flash that in the sky every once in a while.

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And he said just before dawn, there's some thing that you can see is going out of the blink of an eye.

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Or just before dawn, my husband was scared to death at it.

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And then he screamed at him, told him to leave him alone, he was out of ammunition,

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and he couldn't work things up, as the frightened he was.

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And he said just before dawn, one of the ships flashed the screens to flash two of them up,

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and every one of them watched the player type thing in the middle of it.

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There it is.

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And they pointed at him to the direction to get off that.

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Now, he, well, every didn't know what they were doing anyway, but you know, there was one going one way,

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one going the other way, he said, what, they had come lost anyway.

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And so he, so when the dog came, he followed the directions that he followed there,

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and they came within 56 feet.

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But anyway, as they came on, just before dawn, so they started taking off, this is what they would do,

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is they would go up on their end.

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They would not, you know, place that much of a fault, so he said they would go up on their end,

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and go two feet up in the start, and he said then they would start gyrating or vibrating or something, you know,

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to make them start fogging, and to just fog, to return the pale blue, and the pale green, and all of a sudden it was white.

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And so it just looked like a fog.

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And he said then they took off, and they were gone, and in just a few minutes it looked like a star in the sky.

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And he said he watched them all take off that way.

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And so he looked like a, uh, uh, falling star.

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Okay, now, which day was it that they took off?

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Okay, so he got lost, it was the 39th of the 18th, so that would make it Friday morning to 19th.

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We went home, and we left, and as soon as he got back to the camp, he slept, and ate, and we came home.

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And he's been afraid to talk about it, and he's afraid that, you know, people would think that we were off.

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Yes.

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And I thought, totally, I think they should be supported.

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And I called the Air Force, and they didn't know what, you know, what they were interested in.

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Did he see any openings in these objects?

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Uh, not to my knowledge, he didn't see any people, he didn't see any people at all.

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He didn't see any landing gear. He did see the landing lights on the bottom.

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Okay.

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They lost him for seven to eight hours, it was so scary, I can't believe how it spoke.

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And he said they were, oh, I guess, a couple hundred yards.

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Okay, now I want to get a confirmation on this date, he got lost on Thursday the 18th.

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And he got out on Friday the 19th.

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Right.

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Okay.

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And he had, when it was getting dark and he knew he was lost, he heard a jeep going across the mesa in there.

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And he saw the jeep coming, and he said they were going across that magmae so they could split.

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So we fired three warning shots in the air, hoping they would stop pouring.

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They turned the spotlight on him, most people wouldn't even stop for him.

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They just took off, so apparently they saw him too, coming in.

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And he was at Tukum Carrier at the time?

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He was at Tukum Carrier, I think he said somewhere around the inside of White Mountain.

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Okay.

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So he said work and we didn't know who to call, what to call, if we should call, you know, and he just asked me if I'd sign down about it today.

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Okay, did he give any estimate of size on those objects?

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He said they were about two still in time, but I don't know how long, I don't remember if he'd seen how long they were.

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Okay.

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And has he told us to anyone else besides you?

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His friends.

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His close friends, his people, but we wouldn't think they were crazy.

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He hasn't told that to any people.

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Okay, now would he be willing to talk to someone if they came down there to see him?

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I sure he would.

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Okay.

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He's gotten over the fright now and over the things that we have found out that people won't think we're crazy, other people have seen him and so forth.

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The first couple weeks he was home, he was right to tell any types of things that he was crazy or something.

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But my husband did not believe in UFOs for that time.

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Okay.

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And I was skeptical, but I believe in him.

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Well, he's had a very rare experience and obviously he has knowledge of some very important scientific data.

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He was scared to death.

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He said, I was scared.

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He said, at the beginning he was ice-creamed at him and all of that.

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He shot a couple of wolves at least.

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He was the last of it.

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He had used stunts and they should try to get those other hunters to stop for him and they wouldn't stop.

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And then he attacked.

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Did he give any estimates of how far away the objects were that were on the ground?

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The one he was watching, I think he said it was about 200 yards from here.

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He said he thought that there was one closer than that to him, but he didn't see it because he figured that the antennas or whatever it was, it was over his head.

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That's why he's calling because he don't know what else to call.

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Yes.

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He said there's about 50 feet over his head.

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He thought that they were coming from a ship that was closer than that to him.

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He said, I think he said there were half miles, three quarters of a mile apart, each one of these that were on the ground.

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And he didn't know how high one in the sky was, but he counted eight.

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Okay.

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And then one in the sky.

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He didn't see any occupants at all?

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He didn't see any occupants at all.

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He said, I didn't even see any landing gear.

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He said, I saw the landing lights.

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And he described that far right and described this other little light on the tail that he only went ahead and it was green.

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He said it was black, blue, green, and red.

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Okay, what time does your husband get home from work?

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Well, he's in business for himself and right now he's working a lot, so I don't know exactly when he's going to be in and out during the time.

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He's self-employed and in and out during the daytime.

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Uh-huh.

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That's why he asked me to call so he figured he would get him to last a dark and take all anybody in to dark.

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Right, okay.

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Well, we sure appreciate this report and we'll see if we can't get somebody down there to talk to him.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Where did you get our number?

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From the police department.

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The Miss Wheat?

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We saw the Air Force and they didn't know who to call or if we should report it or what and they suggested we call the police department.

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So I called the police department and they gave me the number.

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That's the Miss Wheat Police?

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The State Police.

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Right.

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Okay, thanks again.

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You're welcome.

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Bye-bye.

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This is the U.F.O. Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington.

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Yes.

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And your wife was telling us this morning that you had quite an experience.

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Yes.

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I wonder if we could get your rundown on it right from the beginning.

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Well, 100 long in New Mexico was not supposed to do.

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Uh-huh.

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And went down into the canyon.

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And I stayed too long in the canyon.

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It was the first step to New Mexico.

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I see.

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And when I came out of the canyon, I did go far enough.

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And I started as it got so quickly, more or less, got turned around and went out in the direction.

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And I kept walking, kept walking.

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I stayed across a fence line or a road.

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And, uh, well, I did.

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And I kept finding warning shots.

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I don't think that's a fire.

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Very.

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Somebody either going to hear you, and fire one shot to the home here.

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Well, I've seen some flies.

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It flies.

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It flashed about, oh, 15, 20 seconds apart.

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And I figured, well, it was bright enough to be a beacon for air force.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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But I was a heck of a long way from it.

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But I started going to it.

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Man, I was lost in my little gears and pale.

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And I kept going and kept going and kept going.

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And that was the light, you know, kept coming up on the light.

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And when I got up there, uh, little way, oh, before I got to the fire, finally stopped there.

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I kept thinking about my name, or being an air force.

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Not where I'm at.

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But maybe it's raining anyway.

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Our game was.

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Yes.

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Hurt me.

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So I went on, and I got this little mold.

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And this big light was, looked like a beacon.

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It was coming across.

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And it was several other lights in the area.

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And I heard this jeep coming.

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And the jeep was running full speed across this mace.

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This mace is about three miles in diameter.

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Well, I fired my gun.

227
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And they'd shine the spotlight on me.

228
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And they would flash in the spotlight all over the area.

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But they wouldn't stop.

230
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And I kept shooting and screaming at them.

231
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They wouldn't stop.

232
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But the jeep evidently did see them.

233
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And they were just getting out of there.

234
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Well, anyway.

235
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What time was this? Do you recall?

236
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Oh, this was about 11.

237
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Okay.

238
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10.30.11.

239
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Well, yeah, I think it was about 10.30.11.

240
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It could have been around nine.

241
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Well, anyway, I tried to see where the jeep went.

242
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I thought maybe he went to a road.

243
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I just followed the road back.

244
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And I went back the way the jeep went.

245
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He patted behind me.

246
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And I went back the other way where the jeep was going.

247
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And I stopped.

248
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Because he was just definitely gone.

249
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He wouldn't stop nobody.

250
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And then one of the lights come on.

251
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I guess it was him.

252
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He must have been a lot less than half a mile from me.

253
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And I didn't even know he was there.

254
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And he turned this light on.

255
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And so I didn't know what it was,

256
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but I knew it wouldn't be anything that I've ever seen before.

257
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Because the light was a big rectangular light.

258
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I did not look directly in the light.

259
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And it put out a glow like a fog.

260
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It wasn't a sharp light like a headlight.

261
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Was it quite great?

262
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Yeah, but it was a soft light.

263
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But it looked like a big fog.

264
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It chopped off a big rectangular stretch of fog.

265
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That's the way it looked.

266
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He was shining the light through it.

267
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Yes.

268
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Okay.

269
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So I started looking at the other objects that was around.

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I counted eight on the ground, the first one I counted.

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And the light would pass.

272
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And it sounded like when it would hit the bushes, it sounded like wind.

273
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When this light would hit the brush.

274
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Yes.

275
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But it didn't affect the brush like wind did affect it.

276
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Well now, could I stop for a minute?

277
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Yes.

278
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You say that when the light was going around,

279
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was there some kind of a shaft of light being shined around?

280
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Yes, this was something like a search light.

281
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You know, you've seen search lights are used for advertising.

282
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Right.

283
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Yes, well that was a type of light, but it was a rectangular light.

284
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I see.

285
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And I just guesstimated that the far away it could have been on 4x8.

286
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It could stop being.

287
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Uh huh.

288
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Well, when the light come around the first time I got down,

289
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I don't know why I got down, but I got down.

290
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And I still had my rifle with me, but I used the rifle.

291
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That's pretty well.

292
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I don't see you on the move this light around.

293
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I'm not even spotting a deer out there.

294
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And that's when I seen the bushes shake.

295
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It's when the light was on.

296
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I did not look directly in the light.

297
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Yes.

298
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And I looked through the scope.

299
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Now, it would take this brush and it would just shake it.

300
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And when the light would pass by, the bush would stop.

301
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And it would do the grass the same way.

302
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It would just take it and just shake it.

303
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Not blow it down like a wind does.

304
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It would just shake the grass and shake the bush.

305
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And while I was watching them, I watched the other one.

306
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I called the mason.

307
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It was one that had a revolving light right on the port.

308
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And I looked at it and the light was rolling in a counter-clockwise direction.

309
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I'd actually make out that.

310
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And I've got a good scope on my gun.

311
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I've got a leaf of it.

312
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000
And I could see any decals at all on that light.

313
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And it would flash blue, red, and green.

314
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And the light all you could see on it was a 180-degree slaughter.

315
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You couldn't see the full 360-degree like you'd look at a regular light bulb.

316
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And it would roll in that counter-clockwise direction.

317
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And that was on the ground also?

318
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It was on the ground also.

319
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Okay.

320
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So I was, man, I was confused.

321
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I was a bamboo game.

322
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And in the meantime, this other light kept moving back and forth.

323
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And I noticed he was only moving 180 degrees.

324
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And I didn't know which way to run.

325
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And I built me a fire right there.

326
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,000
And when I built the fire, I looked up.

327
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:34,000
And in the sky, they could make like a little antenna that would tear in mid-space.

328
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I'd say it's a rectangular antenna.

329
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Now there's no wires attached.

330
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It's just projected in mid-space.

331
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It had blue, green, and a little red light.

332
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It looked like a bridge.

333
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000
And it was just like there, just twinkling.

334
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000
I never seen that like this for my whole life.

335
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,000
It was just an ascended and mid-air method.

336
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000
It just appeared.

337
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,000
Do you have any estimate of altitude on that?

338
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Oh, that's saying I think it wouldn't over 30 feet for me.

339
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000
Okay.

340
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,000
And oh, it's probably 25, 40 feet in air.

341
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:22,000
And this thing was just right over the top of it.

342
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If you had a rectangular board and you could take the board

343
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,000
and you could just turn it any position you want to.

344
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That's the way they did it.

345
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And the one that drove me was just like a straight man in the flag.

346
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And I didn't know what the hell it was.

347
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I was talking.

348
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I was, I mean, I was so scared I was talking at that.

349
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I told him leave me alone.

350
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I wouldn't want to do no harm.

351
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:55,000
And I just thought I'd look at it with scope on my rifle.

352
00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:04,000
And I looked at this thing and you couldn't see these little flickering lights.

353
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Blue, red and green little lights in it.

354
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000
When you put the scope on it, you could look right through it.

355
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000
And what I've seen is maize to hell out of maize.

356
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,000
It looks like a rose flare.

357
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000
A rose flare, burn.

358
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With two wings on it.

359
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000
It's just that there.

360
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,000
And you take the scope away and a little grid and say right there.

361
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,000
You put the scope on, you come up with a rose flare.

362
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Real weird.

363
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,000
But it was just, you couldn't see the rose flare if you neck it out.

364
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:53,000
But the scope would look right through it and in the center of that thing it looked like a rose flare.

365
00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:01,000
And it would disappear and then it would reappear at a different location.

366
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,000
And at times it'd have two, three.

367
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000
At different places.

368
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Because if it was one thing I could figure out, it might have been a closed circuit, TV.

369
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
And maybe sound transmission.

370
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000
I don't know what it was.

371
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
But I figured it was in that town.

372
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:28,000
And I was burning a fire at this time.

373
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:34,000
And I watched these things all night long.

374
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:42,000
But one time the night, a red flash of pictures like a face in the back.

375
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000
And I could draw that face.

376
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:54,000
And it would tear and it would put white colored lights.

377
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000
And then they would flash another one.

378
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Now what I mean by flash, it would just appear in the sky.

379
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,000
Just as always being protected right into the atmosphere.

380
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
Right.

381
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000
And it looked like neat.

382
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:14,000
Like these little lights where it took several in a motel.

383
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
Lights.

384
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
That's what it looked like.

385
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
It looked like a burnout neon.

386
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
That's what it looked like.

387
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000
And it just projected like that.

388
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000
And it had a face though.

389
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000
And then it would disappear.

390
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,000
And then another one would come up and it would step you.

391
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:41,000
But it had a border around it plus some other market cities.

392
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,000
And they appeared at several different times.

393
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Twice, I don't know if I can remember real clearly.

394
00:26:51,000 --> 00:27:02,000
And then, only time I've seen actual landing lights on the craft.

395
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:09,000
It's when one was coming in and it was on the fixed loop on the bottom.

396
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000
They were lights on the bottom.

397
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,000
But after you touch down, they would turn them off.

398
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:22,000
That's the one time they were saying that, like, that's the old landing gear or nothing.

399
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Also, from the, just one big crash.

400
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000
You could see colors on it.

401
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Okay.

402
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:41,000
It looks basically like a band going around the middle of it.

403
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:50,000
And this band must have been at least as far away as I was, at least for a while.

404
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,000
And the band had something like a picket fence going through it.

405
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
And these, not like a picket fence.

406
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,000
I've seen a diagonal type fence like a Z bar type.

407
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:11,000
And these panels were red with a white background.

408
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,000
And these Z bars all the way around this place.

409
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Now this was moving around on the horizontal.

410
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000
No, this was stationary. This was stopped.

411
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Uh-huh.

412
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000
What I mean is the band was around on the horizontal, not on the vertical.

413
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Right.

414
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Okay.

415
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Right.

416
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Okay.

417
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Now, I never thought I'd ever believe, but when these things took off, I watched these

418
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000
things all night till sunrise.

419
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000
They would lay on the edge.

420
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000
And they'd go about 300 feet.

421
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,000
And then they'd lay, uh, horizontal with the ground.

422
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000
Right.

423
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Then it started to panel up.

424
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
The panel would turn white first.

425
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Then it would go to a pastel blue to a pastel green.

426
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:18,000
And then as long as they stayed there, it started to come to a pastel white, but a bald white.

427
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:28,000
And as long as he stayed there and learned that sound, it would just fight with the bulk

428
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,000
of the grass.

429
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,000
You could just watch it spread from bottom to bottom.

430
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
And then he'd just move off.

431
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:41,000
And he didn't make a bit of sound or anything on leaving or anything like that.

432
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:51,000
They'd run one sound pattern while I was there, two sound patterns.

433
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000
And one was a great big boofy.

434
00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:02,000
And the other was just a plain sound, straight pattern.

435
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
And he was running to another shift over there.

436
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,000
He was running a back and forth, different sound patterns.

437
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:14,000
But that's the only noise they ever made that I've seen.

438
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Uh, let's see, what is it?

439
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Well, each one of these plants took off on their edge one at a time.

440
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Wow, this was daylight when they started doing this.

441
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
No.

442
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000
No.

443
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:42,000
They started probably pulling out around 3.30, 3 to 3.30.

444
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,000
And the last one, most likely, oh, I guess it must have been a 4 to 5.

445
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:53,000
But he pulled out and he sat up there, oh, I guess he was about a half mile or a mile

446
00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:01,000
up, and he sat there with the dawn coming in.

447
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,000
And he just sat there and sat there.

448
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,000
And I just watched the heck out of him.

449
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Could you see a solid surface on this?

450
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Could you see a solid surface on the last one?

451
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Oh, yeah, right.

452
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,000
He was just sitting there, like suspended in space.

453
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,000
There was no cloud or nothing around him.

454
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:32,000
He was just there, just stopped, wouldn't make it a bit of noise.

455
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Okay, he was the last one to leave.

456
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Before he left, he must have been in the control ship over there, or something, because there

457
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,000
was one in the sky and he looked like a bright star.

458
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,000
But there was only one thing that was different.

459
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,000
There was a light beam going up and a light beam coming down.

460
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,000
It was just more or less like you could see two light beams.

461
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,000
And it was going right to the star.

462
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000
It wasn't going past the star.

463
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:16,000
And it was coming right down to this ship, the last one to leave.

464
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
How was that?

465
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,000
The star in the sky, the star lighting in the sky, was that quite large?

466
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Well, it was bright.

467
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,000
I couldn't tell how big it was.

468
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:41,000
But there was a light beam coming down, a tune, and one going up, because there were two light beams.

469
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:48,000
And they looked like a beam that you would take one of these advertising times, and the

470
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000
lights shine one up and shine one down.

471
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
And that's how bright they were.

472
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:01,000
They appeared at about halfway through this maze, I'd say probably around one upon.

473
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,000
And then maybe it's gone. The beams are gone.

474
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Okay, were those beams through this whole thing only directed onto the one craft?

475
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Only on that one craft.

476
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:23,000
I can see it's directed on any other craft.

477
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000
And if I told you how it got out there, you wouldn't believe me.

478
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
I'd like to hear about it anyway.

479
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:38,000
These little, I'll be part of that.

480
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,000
These little, I call them antennas.

481
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:56,000
At dawn, when this ship picked up and moved up into the dock, there was another antenna appeared,

482
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:02,000
approximately 60 feet from me.

483
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000
And I still looked at it from my scope.

484
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,000
And the flare, remember, stepped two wings on the flare.

485
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:20,000
It's not like wings with a bird, just like a regular road flare that you light up.

486
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,000
And they can move these in any direction.

487
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
These are low wings.

488
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000
They can be point and say, no.

489
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000
And what I'm talking about, the point is the base of the flare.

490
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
You know what I mean?

491
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
The burning section.

492
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:50,000
It was important to about Southwest, I'd say Southwest.

493
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000
And another one was behind.

494
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:59,000
It was one South West.

495
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:08,000
And being lost, I said to hell with it, and I went the way the things pointed.

496
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,000
And I come in with 50 yards of my truck.

497
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,000
And I didn't get back to the truck until 1030 to 1100.

498
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:24,000
And I'm in very good physical condition.

499
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:32,000
I was going down through the canyon, the salt mountain, and that's not hunting, that's moving out.

500
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
And I was totally exhausted when I got to that truck.

501
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000
And I couldn't have went another two miles without that.

502
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Okay, now was that 11 o'clock AM or PM?

503
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000
AM.

504
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Okay.

505
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:53,000
And now I don't know how far away I was, but I figured I was going at least three miles in the mountain.

506
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
I guess maybe less than 10 to 12 miles.

507
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,000
I was a 10 to my truck.

508
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:07,000
And do you feel yourself that they were actually directing you in which direction to go?

509
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Yeah, I did.

510
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Because at one time, when I started to see them pictures on the sky, one of these antennas was there.

511
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,000
And I explained to them, I said, I don't know who in the hell you are, but you sure got your shit together.

512
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
You know what the hell you doing?

513
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
That's what I told them.

514
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,000
And I don't know if they could hear me or not.

515
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
I told them I was lost and leaving me the hell alone.

516
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
You can feel your thing.

517
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
But I don't know what I can do with you.

518
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,000
And that night I burnt two logs.

519
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Oh, I'd pray about 15 foot long, 20 foot long, all night long.

520
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,000
I was afraid to go to sleep, lay at the cow, to get me up there.

521
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:04,000
And I heard them holler, yelling, you go to sleep up there, and that makes them say, well, I get you.

522
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Okay, and you are sure that you did not sleep or lose any time at all?

523
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
I'm sure that.

524
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Okay.

525
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
I had to stay awake all night.

526
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Now, there's a couple times that I almost fell at fire.

527
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Now, I fell at no, you know, I stepped into the fire a couple times,

528
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:36,000
and I'm not crazy enough that I wouldn't aware.

529
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,000
But I'll tell you, I could close my eyes or look in a different direction

530
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000
or forget about them and turn around and they'll still be there.

531
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Okay.

532
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000
You know, I thought maybe you're seeing things.

533
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,000
So, you know, the best way to do it is you think you're seeing things.

534
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Just don't look at it anymore.

535
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Right.

536
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Think about something else.

537
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Right.

538
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:07,000
And so, I looked at it, went back there and started screaming and whistling and yelling

539
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,000
and screaming, hollering and hailing and everything else.

540
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,000
And turn around, they're still there.

541
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Okay.

542
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Now, the last object to leave, you've got a good look at that.

543
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Was it partial daylight then?

544
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Yeah.

545
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Okay.

546
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Now, in your opinion, would that object be metallic?

547
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Yeah, but it was, boy, you wouldn't believe the engineering on that thing though.

548
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Anything can lay on its edge as big as it was and move off without a sign.

549
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Okay.

550
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Now, in your opinion, just how big, excuse me, how big was?

551
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Well, I'll tell you, it was as big as, I'll tell you the least as big as my hand.

552
00:38:53,000 --> 00:39:01,000
And I got a 12-hundred square foot half, 14-hundred with a two-carge of eyes.

553
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,000
It was as big as that big.

554
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Okay.

555
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Did you notice any openings of any kind?

556
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,000
No, I couldn't see.

557
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:26,000
The fourth hole are anything like an half-pressed piece of light in it or any kind of a tower

558
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,000
that would suggest that people could look out.

559
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,000
I couldn't see no people or nothing.

560
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Now, could you describe that last one in the exact shape as you saw it?

561
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:51,000
I'll tell you what, okay, then if you took two paper plates, you know the type that's got the ribs in it?

562
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Okay.

563
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Okay.

564
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
You take them and you reverse them.

565
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:08,000
The ribs would go one way on the top and one way on the bottom, but the opposite direction.

566
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Okay.

567
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,000
Now, okay, then you pull them apart.

568
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
I'll say that's five.

569
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
I pulled them apart about an inch.

570
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:28,000
And then you put this panel in the middle of it with the red bars in.

571
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,000
It looks like a Z thing.

572
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Okay.

573
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:41,000
But it didn't really Z, they were more like an N-fence like an N.

574
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Uh-huh.

575
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000
It wouldn't be Z.

576
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,000
It wasn't a walking, it wasn't an N-type fence.

577
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,000
I guess it would be a Z type, lay a Z on its side.

578
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Okay, now.

579
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,000
That Z has lain in there for a red.

580
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
The back vent on it was white.

581
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Okay.

582
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Now, how many did you actually see land?

583
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:18,000
I've seen fuller land, but I could observe about four more that was already there before I came.

584
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Before, okay.

585
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,000
In other words, after you got to the area, there were four more came down.

586
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Right.

587
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Okay.

588
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,000
And did they seem to be in one particular area or did they more or less surround the area that you were in?

589
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
They were more or less surrounding that place.

590
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:40,000
They were more or less circular and I'd say they were half miles apart.

591
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Okay.

592
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Those projections that came into the midair of the faces, were there any faces that you recognized?

593
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Uh, it looked like a man's face.

594
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Uh-huh.

595
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Uh, it was a triangle of a type, say, thing.

596
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Okay.

597
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Uh, say, uh, the point of the triangle would be at the bottom and say the head would be at the top.

598
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000
Okay.

599
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,000
And, uh, with kind of the slices down.

600
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Okay.

601
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Four or five slices down.

602
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,000
It looked like a face and the other one looked like a dead body with a corridor around it.

603
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
That's like a box border.

604
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Box border?

605
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Okay.

606
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:40,000
And these were all, uh, all I would say, uh, white orange lights and both pictures.

607
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
White, good mountain.

608
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
Which direction would that be from?

609
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,000
They took the first one.

610
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,000
North West.

611
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Okay.

612
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Uh, okay, that would be, uh, actually it's about a mile from White Point.

613
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
That was the area I was hunting.

614
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Okay.

615
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Uh, well, Wagon Mountain between 35 miles, where I was at the beginning of the year,

616
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,000
and I was at the end of the year, and I was at the end of the year.

617
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Okay.

618
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Uh, well, Wagon Mountain between 35 miles, where I was, where my truck was parked at

619
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
White Point.

620
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Man, did you see anything else after, before that day was over?

621
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,000
After you had found your truck or was walking out to your truck during the daylight period,

622
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,000
did you see anything else?

623
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,000
No, I didn't go towards that one ship that was shooting high by.

624
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,000
It was too far away.

625
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000
I just, man, I was tired of hunting cold, man.

626
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000
I just blasted out of there.

627
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Okay.

628
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,000
I just had the whole top of the mountain far as I could see.

629
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Now, I wouldn't have moved around and just digging around there.

630
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Okay, what was your opinion of the UFO was prior to this?

631
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Bad.

632
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000
I didn't believe him.

633
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Uh-huh.

634
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
But I certainly didn't believe him, man.

635
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Okay, have you discussed this with anyone else?

636
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Yes.

637
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Any officials or just friends?

638
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000
All just friends.

639
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Uh-huh.

640
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Okay.

641
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,000
I don't know what I was all about.

642
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,000
So, I'm not going to let him pass it off.

643
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Okay.

644
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:23,000
But what was really crazy about the whole damn thing is when I got raised in the lake, I

645
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000
was too timid.

646
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000
I was just too timid.

647
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
And I followed that.

648
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
I wouldn't believe that.

649
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
I don't know, it's a fact of the Bible.

650
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
I hadn't expected it.

651
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Uh-huh.

652
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Now, that's, I couldn't believe what I did.

653
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000
It was just go, it was a hell of a go.

654
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,000
You bound to run into somebody or something.

655
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,000
And it took 50 yards right first.

656
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Okay, did you, when this happened with those antennas, did you get any kind of mental impression

657
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,000
that that's the direction you were supposed to go in?

658
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Okay, do you feel that possibly they were actually projecting this to you?

659
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
Oh, I asked them for help.

660
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
Uh-huh.

661
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000
I just went for the hell of it.

662
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000
And I said, well, I can't, I can't believe them lost.

663
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,000
That was my opinion at the time.

664
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Uh-huh.

665
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,000
And I said, well, heck, folks doesn't point the same direction.

666
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,000
That's where I'm going.

667
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:30,000
I've never been so, I'd say, fly off the hand and still be something for you.

668
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,000
I still do something for that.

669
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
I can't, I don't want to.

670
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:42,000
You know, but the way the terrain up there was, it just, out of, uh, when you start down

671
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:48,000
off the ridge, it's just out of one little mesa into thicker woods, not a one, into,

672
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,000
not a one, into the small canyon, then out of the canyon to another mesa, little patch of

673
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
woods.

674
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000
And you really couldn't get high enough to see where you were.

675
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000
So you really had no choice but what you did.

676
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Right, right.

677
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Okay.

678
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,000
No, it's been quite some time since this happened.

679
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Have you seen anything in the sky since then?

680
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
No.

681
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Okay, have you had any strange mental or physical experiences of any kind?

682
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:24,000
No, uh, it took me about three days to get back to normal.

683
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:34,000
I mean business, I don't know, I feel like I was driving in a daze when I was driving

684
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
home.

685
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
I just couldn't believe what I think.

686
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Uh-huh.

687
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Uh, I was really quite telling the lie.

688
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Have you had any dreams about this?

689
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,000
No.

690
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Okay.

691
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,000
All right, sir, if we could get somebody in there to talk to you, would you give them

692
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,000
the time to discuss this and make up some diagrams and these various things?

693
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,000
Oh, I'd be happy to have, uh, if they'd be willing to put that on a black background,

694
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,000
I could just about tell them just about what it was I'd seen in them.

695
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Uh-huh.

696
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:18,000
And, uh, I got an artist that was going to draw that for me, but, uh, he had to got a

697
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:25,000
round to it, but, uh, I could actually draw those antennas the way you'd see them with

698
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,000
your eye and then actually the way you'd see them with your scope.

699
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Uh-huh.

700
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000
And I paid a hundred dollars for that scope.

701
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,000
I've got the best scope money can buy, and I know my scope was wrong.

702
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:47,000
But the weirdest thing, when you looked at that big, bright light, I wouldn't dare look

703
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,000
at it direct, because I think it was blind.

704
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Yes.

705
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,000
But even looking at it as a blank, you couldn't look at it for more than ten seconds.

706
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000
No, was that with or without the scope?

707
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,000
With the scope.

708
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,000
With the scope, okay.

709
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,000
With the scope.

710
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Okay.

711
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,000
If you looked at it in, your eye started spot.

712
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Once I looked at that and seen what it is, what it was doing, he'd know where it's spot,

713
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,000
and I took another look to make sure I seen what I seen.

714
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,000
And I quit looking at that thing, and it would actually match your eye.

715
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Okay.

716
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000
How close do you feel that the closest object was?

717
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Well, I'd say the closest one was the one that turned that big light on behind.

718
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:42,000
And I, he couldn't have been more than a quarter of a mile behind me, but I didn't want to go

719
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000
looking for it.

720
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Okay.

721
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Now, did wild labor all on the ground during the night?

722
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,000
Were they all maintaining about the same color and same intensity of light at all times?

723
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
No.

724
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000
No.

725
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000
No.

726
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Now, they'd run this big scan and light.

727
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Each one would run that scan and light.

728
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,000
But they'd only run that scan and light for about two, three hours.

729
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:16,000
And then they would turn that thing off, and sometimes you wouldn't even see the other

730
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,000
shift, or maybe just one little light on the shift.

731
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Yes.

732
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:27,000
And the light was on the outside.

733
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,000
I could not see it.

734
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,000
I wouldn't even see the landing light unless that man turned them on, or whoever he was.

735
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Yes.

736
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:45,000
But the best one I got to look at was the one that shot the beam from the top in the sky,

737
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000
evidently, where the beam come down.

738
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Now, that's the best one I got to look at, because he was directly in front of me.

739
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,000
Okay.

740
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Now, that beam that came down from that light, what is that one that came right to the ground?

741
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,000
No.

742
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
It went in, it stopped on top of the shift.

743
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000
That's the object, okay.

744
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:09,000
In other words, there was two running from that vehicle up to the one in the sky.

745
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Yeah.

746
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Okay.

747
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Now, all of these objects that were sitting on the ground, were they all sitting up on

748
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,000
there, or standing, or parked, or whatever, on their side?

749
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000
No.

750
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
They were laying on their belly.

751
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,000
They were flat.

752
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,000
Flat, yeah.

753
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Okay.

754
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,000
I could not see no landing gear on the ground.

755
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,000
Now, when they took off, did they rise off of the ground a little bit before they turned

756
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,000
up on edge?

757
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,000
Yeah.

758
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,000
Okay.

759
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,000
They were totally suspended in there when he was on his side.

760
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
And the edge almost went on the ground.

761
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000
He laid right on his edge, and then he just moved up.

762
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000
Okay.

763
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000
He was still slow.

764
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Did they go slow all the way?

765
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:55,000
And he went slow until he laid it back down, vertical with the ground.

766
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
I mean, horizontal with the ground.

767
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,000
Uh-huh.

768
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,000
And then the only thing that got me is that I just started calling it a gyro.

769
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,000
I started calling that the center section a gyro, the one with the red panel in it.

770
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,000
Yes.

771
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,000
And with the white background.

772
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Now, I call that a gyro.

773
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,000
That's the only thing I know that could be sophisticated enough, but it's got to be some

774
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000
part of the series of man.

775
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,000
And while all this takeoff was going on, you didn't hear any sound?

776
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000
No, sound at all.

777
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000
No sound at all.

778
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:37,000
But they, all of them eventually were engulfed with this corona of light.

779
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
You couldn't see the vehicle itself.

780
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,000
Right.

781
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,000
All it looked like was, looked like a pump.

782
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Right.

783
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000
Now, when they moved away, did they go straight up?

784
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,000
No.

785
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
They went off of the diagonal.

786
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Did they all go in the same direction?

787
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Uh, basically, yes.

788
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Okay.

789
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,000
But then they turned and they headed out towards this other one.

790
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
That bright light in the sky?

791
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Yes.

792
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Okay.

793
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000
They headed towards it.

794
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,000
But what didn't take them long?

795
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Did you actually see them go to that light?

796
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,000
No, not exactly to it because they'd moved it so damn fast.

797
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
It was like Claire and I.

798
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
But you could still see them moving and then after you get out a little later, it just

799
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,000
looked like a star moving through the sky.

800
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Right.

801
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,000
And they just gone.

802
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Okay.

803
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Okay, Mr. Minister.

804
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Well, we sure appreciate your talking to us and if we can get someone in there, we'll

805
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:46,000
have them call you ahead of time to make an appointment and give them a chance to get

806
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
some diagrams.

807
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:57,000
Well, I would be more than happy to cooperate with them and give them as much information

808
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,000
as possible and know it before nightly.

809
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Okay.

810
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Now, do you watch your name held absolutely confidential on this?

811
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Oh, I don't care if I know them crazy anyway, I guess.

812
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000
That's crazy being this way, sir.

813
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000
I didn't know that.

814
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,000
I don't care when we're the other.

815
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,000
But what I tell you is going to be the truth, exactly what I'm saying.

816
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000
And it ain't going to be nothing.

817
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Somebody dreamed that, and so I actually believe it.

818
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Well, that's what we want.

819
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,000
We're in search of good scientific data.

820
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:43,000
But I tell you, I sure as hell wouldn't want to fight an armed man.

821
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:50,000
I've always said, perhaps seemingly anything about shooting down, you know, in my life,

822
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,000
you know.

823
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:57,000
I was up there, I was, I fired my lights around, I stuffed up that jeep and I didn't have a

824
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
round at all.

825
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Not one shell in my gun, and that's foolish.

826
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
That's foolish.

827
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:12,000
I have an empty gun, and I don't think the loaded gun is anything good.

828
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:20,000
If they got that kind of engine, I'm sure they'll know a lot about it.

829
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000
Yes, I guess they do.

830
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:28,000
I'm sure they've got a protective force or some kind of Mickey Mouse deal that could

831
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,000
prevent life of fire at them.

832
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Okay.

833
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,000
I'm going to set it around, but somebody's shooting at me.

834
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
That's bad odds, not against the law.

835
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,000
That's what everybody says.

836
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
It's better to set for the fire and watch it.

837
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Yes.

838
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,000
Is your first name EMORY or YRY?

839
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000
Yes.

840
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,000
ORY.

841
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,000
ORY.

842
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,000
ORY, okay.

843
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,000
All right, sir, thanks again for taking the time to talk to us.

844
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
You're welcome.

845
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,000
Thanks, Mark.

846
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Thanks, Mark.